Tigers Victor Martinez done for the year already?

[Terd Ferguson]

This kind of stuff is why I want Daniels to just keep getting all the talent we can get our hands on. We have guys on our team that get injured every year. Cruz, Kinsler, Hamilton, those guys always miss time and they are all big bats in our lineup.


espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7472150/victor-martinez-detroit-tigers-tears-acl-likely-needs-season-ending-surgery

DETROIT -- Tigers star Victor Martinez has injured his left knee and is likely to miss most of the 2012 season.

The Tigers said Tuesday that the 33-year-old Martinez tore his left ACL last week during offseason conditioning. An MRI exam Monday in Lakeland, Fla., revealed the injury.

The team said the slugging designated hitter will be re-examined next week and surgery is expected.

Martinez hit .330 with 103 RBIs in 2011, helping Detroit win the AL Central in his first season with the Tigers. He signed a $50 million, four-year contract before last season.

Martinez and Miguel Cabrera were a formidable pair in the middle of the lineup, and manager Jim Leyland had nothing but nice things to say throughout the year about Martinez's upbeat presence in the clubhouse.

Although he spent some time on the disabled list early in the season with a right groin problem, Martinez was still able to play 145 games. He was brought in to fill the DH spot and also play occasionally behind the plate, but by the end of the season, it was hard for him to catch. Detroit signed Gerald Laird this offseason to be its backup catcher.

Martinez also hurt his ribcage during the postseason.

It's been a quiet offseason so far for the Tigers, who added reliever Octavio Dotel but kept their everyday lineup largely intact. With Martinez out, they might need to make another move to replace his bat. The pressure will also fall on Cabrera, catcher Alex Avila and shortstop Jhonny Peralta to repeat the productive seasons they had at the plate in 2011.

Detroit won its division by 15 games last year and reached the AL championship series, but if the Tigers were favorites in the AL Central heading into this season, their outlook just became a whole lot murkier.

[bigdave1310]

You're right and wrong. You stock pile players but you don't hedge your bets and go into a season with a 13 year vet an expect health from him. 

Reason Hamilton ain't on my list as a must keep same with Cruz injuries are to big of a risk. Jesse said it the best employee ain't worth a damn if he doesn't show up to work. 

[Terd Ferguson]

I'm not wrong. What was I wrong about? I never said to hedge any bets on Hamilton.
That means you're wrong about me being wrong.

[bigdave1310]

What I'm saying having 25 man roster that you know going in your going to miss significant  time due to injury is wrong. Hamilton, Cruz are huge liabilities within the scope of a team. We need a minimum of 140 games from our high prices talent to compete and win a world series. I do think injuries played a factor in last years world series Hamilton  being hobbled in the playoffs hurt us. 

[Terd Ferguson]

Dude, Hamilton wasn't hobbled he was dead. He had 3 different things that required surgery...it was crazy.
I'm just saying, I never said hedge your bets. I said accumulate as much talent as possible because there will be injuries. Cruz and Hamilton, one of them in expendable in my opinion because they can't stay healthy. I'd actually trade the one that would bring the better return, and that is Hamilton. It just so happens that we have the ability to replace his left handed power by signing Prince.
Sign Prince, and 'allen six' some team that wants Hamilton.

[Terd Ferguson]

Doubt they'll do that though. I haven't seen this front office show the cold-hearted touch it would take to deal a real fan favorite that has not requested a trade...he isn't Texiera or A-Rod where the writing was on the wall.

[bigdave1310]

You've heard me the last 2 years talk about trading Josh. I like what he does when he is healthy don't like the fact we have to hire a baby sitter to follow a grown ass man around. Remember I wanted Hamilton for Josh Johnson trade. Martin can be our 9th hitter if we add Fielder and keep in mind Moreland logged more innings in the outfield in the minor leagues then at first. 

Wonder if Seattle would answer the phone for Hamilton, Harrison, Feldman trade for Franklin Gutierrez most range of any CF in baseball and King Felix. 

[Terd Ferguson]

I don't know if Seattle would pay Josh's contract. If they would, our pitching staff would rival Philly's and our hitters are MUCH better.

[Sideshow Bob]

Jan 17, 2012 23:37:01 GMT -6 bigdave1310 said:

Wonder if Seattle would answer the phone for Hamilton, Harrison, Feldman trade for Franklin Gutierrez most range of any CF in baseball and King Felix. 

Good trade idea, but I think Seattle would make us sweeten the pot. Would you still pull the trigger if they insisted on Ogando in place of either Harrison or Feldman?

[Sideshow Bob]

Jan 17, 2012 23:25:38 GMT -6 Terd Ferguson said:

'allen six' some team that wants Hamilton.

good schtick

always enjoy a good alan six reference

[bigdave1310]

Jan 18, 2012 8:02:56 GMT -6 Sideshow Bob said:

Jan 17, 2012 23:37:01 GMT -6 bigdave1310 said:

Wonder if Seattle would answer the phone for Hamilton, Harrison, Feldman trade for Franklin Gutierrez most range of any CF in baseball and King Felix. 

Good trade idea, but I think Seattle would make us sweeten the pot. Would you still pull the trigger if they insisted on Ogando in place of either Harrison or Feldman?

It's King Felix I'd give up Holland. Not willing to part with Martin or Feliz though. 

[Sideshow Bob]

Jan 18, 2012 8:51:25 GMT -6 bigdave1310 said:

Jan 18, 2012 8:02:56 GMT -6 Sideshow Bob said:

Good trade idea, but I think Seattle would make us sweeten the pot. Would you still pull the trigger if they insisted on Ogando in place of either Harrison or Feldman?

It's King Felix I'd give up Holland. Not willing to part with Martin or Feliz though. 

yeah, king felix is very solid

[bigdave1310]

I'm holding onto high ceiling guys like Perez and Feliz not trading away what could become an ace unless we are talking straight up deals. 

[Terd Ferguson]

Jan 18, 2012 8:02:56 GMT -6 Sideshow Bob said:

Jan 17, 2012 23:37:01 GMT -6 bigdave1310 said:

Wonder if Seattle would answer the phone for Hamilton, Harrison, Feldman trade for Franklin Gutierrez most range of any CF in baseball and King Felix. 

Good trade idea, but I think Seattle would make us sweeten the pot. Would you still pull the trigger if they insisted on Ogando in place of either Harrison or Feldman?

For King Felix, I think they would be more likely to want Ogando AND those other guys, not instead of.

[bigdave1310]

Hamilton is the carrot we're throwing in a pitcher as a sweetener to get Gutierrez. There are plenty of team that'll pay handsomely for Josh but very few aces. 

I'd think a package of Hamilton, Harrison, maybe a Mark Lowe or something in the bullpen would move the needle. Don't bind over though we already gave them 2 major leaguers the starting 1st basemen and 3 guy in their rotation.