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Post by mexicanjunior on Aug 29, 2011 10:00:09 GMT -6
According to Ticket updates...I don't see how this really helps for this year, more like a cost saving move. Hopefully they use the salary boost to get more O-line help. I really don't trust 3 rookies starting for us...
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Post by Terd Ferguson on Aug 29, 2011 10:34:32 GMT -6
I'm not worried about the OL. I'm worried about our secondary. If we're getting anyone new, it should be a CB.
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Post by Terd Ferguson on Aug 29, 2011 10:35:57 GMT -6
Flat out, the rookies (and Costa) have been better than all the old guys we cut on the OL. We are the only team in the NFL that refuses to play these young guys when they earn their spot. That is why we always have salary cap issues, we pay the old vets too much to keep them around past their prime.
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Post by Sideshow Bob on Aug 29, 2011 11:29:50 GMT -6
All of the young OL have performed well this preseason. Glad Garrett and Jerry are in agreement that the time has come to quit carrying past-their-prime vets who've been coasting on former glory. I hope Olshansky is next.
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Post by mexicanjunior on Aug 29, 2011 11:43:57 GMT -6
Flat out, the rookies (and Costa) have been better than all the old guys we cut on the OL. We are the only team in the NFL that refuses to play these young guys when they earn their spot. That is why we always have salary cap issues, we pay the old vets too much to keep them around past their prime. I hope you are right but I have a feeling Romo will be running for his life alot due to missed assignments and misreads on the O-line. I think they will try hard and get better over time but I predict the Jets will end up with at least 5 sacks week 1 and Romo will be one of the most sacked QB's in the league when it is all said and done. Now, if they use Gurode's salary savings to sign some help in other areas, it could definitely be worth it but it just looks like a cost cutter to me. I do share your thoughts about CB though, we definitely need help in the secondary. |
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Post by Terd Ferguson on Aug 29, 2011 13:14:42 GMT -6
Flat out, the rookies (and Costa) have been better than all the old guys we cut on the OL. We are the only team in the NFL that refuses to play these young guys when they earn their spot. That is why we always have salary cap issues, we pay the old vets too much to keep them around past their prime. I hope you are right but I have a feeling Romo will be running for his life alot due to missed assignments and misreads on the O-line. I think they will try hard and get better over time but I predict the Jets will end up with at least 5 sacks week 1 and Romo will be one of the most sacked QB's in the league when it is all said and done. Now, if they use Gurode's salary savings to sign some help in other areas, it could definitely be worth it but it just looks like a cost cutter to me. I do share your thoughts about CB though, we definitely need help in the secondary. How in the world is that different than the last 5 years?? Gurode can't even make the line calls. Kosier had to do that for him. On the other hand, Costa (not a rookie) has been praised for being very smart and making all the right calls. |
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Post by mexicanjunior on Aug 29, 2011 13:21:29 GMT -6
I hope you are right but I have a feeling Romo will be running for his life alot due to missed assignments and misreads on the O-line. I think they will try hard and get better over time but I predict the Jets will end up with at least 5 sacks week 1 and Romo will be one of the most sacked QB's in the league when it is all said and done. Now, if they use Gurode's salary savings to sign some help in other areas, it could definitely be worth it but it just looks like a cost cutter to me. I do share your thoughts about CB though, we definitely need help in the secondary. How in the world is that different than the last 5 years?? Gurode can't even make the line calls. Kosier had to do that for him. On the other hand, Costa (not a rookie) has been praised for being very smart and making all the right calls. Romo has been pressured in past seasons but I think it will go up a notch with 3 rookies starting for the first time in the NFL. It is hard for me to believe such low graded rookies (except for Smith) are now all of a sudden NFL starter ready in the span of a reduced training camp and 4 preseason games. Just because Gurode didn't make the line calls doesn't mean he didn't know his responsibilities on every play, it is not proven yet that the 3 young guys have that ability. We will wait and see but I stand by my prediction... |
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Post by Terd Ferguson on Aug 29, 2011 17:37:16 GMT -6
you keep calling Costa a rookie, but he isn't. He even had a start last year and played in another game as well.
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Post by Terd Ferguson on Aug 29, 2011 17:38:10 GMT -6
Also, Gurode wasn't making plays any more. If you ever listed to Bryan Broaddus on ESPN you'd get a scout's take on the OL moves...and they think Garrett is dead right.
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Post by mexicanjunior on Aug 29, 2011 18:39:26 GMT -6
you keep calling Costa a rookie, but he isn't. He even had a start last year and played in another game as well. Sorry, forgot Costa was on the roster last year...still feels like he is raw though, not much experience. I would be more comfortable if he was playing guard alongside Gurode but this just seems like too much too soon unless they planned on writing off this year all along. |
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Post by Terd Ferguson on Aug 29, 2011 20:46:47 GMT -6
you keep calling Costa a rookie, but he isn't. He even had a start last year and played in another game as well. Sorry, forgot Costa was on the roster last year...still feels like he is raw though, not much experience. I would be more comfortable if he was playing guard alongside Gurode but this just seems like too much too soon unless they planned on writing off this year all along. So keeping the worst part of a 6-10 team (and really the worst part of every Cowboy team for the last 5 years) would be better than changing it? Sorry, but I've grown tired of these fat veterans getting their big contracts and not living up to their deal. BIGG and Columbo were terrible, so they were given the boot pretty much immediately. Gurode isn't the worst thing we've seen, so they gave him a chance to come in and earn his spot. He didn't. If he was a 5th rounder, you'd be saying "cut him". He did nothing in camp, and when he did play, Costa was flat out better. The local news guys were showing the slow motion replays of Costa and Arkin out leading screens and sweeps, doing things Gurode hasn't done in 5 years. I don't have anything against him, and he if had earned his spot I wouldn't have a problem with us paying him nearly $6M to be here but given that he is both very expensive AND under-performing, he had to take a pay cut or go. You'll be happy this was done. By next year Kosier will likely be a backup (or cut) and Arkin will be moved in at RG. Our line will be VERY young and VERY athletic, across the board. Only Free will even be 28 yrs old. Every other guy (backups included) will be younger. This is a good thing. Remember, the year that NY won the Superbowl they put in a new defense and compeltely shuffled their offensive line. Dave and I both thought they were dumb for doing that. In the first 3 games, they gave up nearly 40 pts per game. Then the defense started getting the scheme down and the OL got it together. By the end of the year they were good enough to take down the 16-0 Patriots. |
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Post by mexicanjunior on Aug 29, 2011 21:41:59 GMT -6
Sorry, forgot Costa was on the roster last year...still feels like he is raw though, not much experience. I would be more comfortable if he was playing guard alongside Gurode but this just seems like too much too soon unless they planned on writing off this year all along. So keeping the worst part of a 6-10 team (and really the worst part of every Cowboy team for the last 5 years) would be better than changing it? Sorry, but I've grown tired of these fat veterans getting their big contracts and not living up to their deal. BIGG and Columbo were terrible, so they were given the boot pretty much immediately. Gurode isn't the worst thing we've seen, so they gave him a chance to come in and earn his spot. He didn't. If he was a 5th rounder, you'd be saying "cut him". He did nothing in camp, and when he did play, Costa was flat out better. The local news guys were showing the slow motion replays of Costa and Arkin out leading screens and sweeps, doing things Gurode hasn't done in 5 years. I don't have anything against him, and he if had earned his spot I wouldn't have a problem with us paying him nearly $6M to be here but given that he is both very expensive AND under-performing, he had to take a pay cut or go. You'll be happy this was done. By next year Kosier will likely be a backup (or cut) and Arkin will be moved in at RG. Our line will be VERY young and VERY athletic, across the board. Only Free will even be 28 yrs old. Every other guy (backups included) will be younger. This is a good thing. Remember, the year that NY won the Superbowl they put in a new defense and compeltely shuffled their offensive line. Dave and I both thought they were dumb for doing that. In the first 3 games, they gave up nearly 40 pts per game. Then the defense started getting the scheme down and the OL got it together. By the end of the year they were good enough to take down the 16-0 Patriots. Sorry but I didn't see Gurode's drop off in production enough to cut him for an undrafted 2nd year player. He was rated as the 57th best player in the league by the players going into this year. Maybe he is living off of reputation with coaches and media but when players respect your game, I don't see how keeping him around is a bad thing if you are trying to contend for at least a division title. It's not like Gurode lost the spot in practice or preseason games, he was injured for the majority of it. I'm cool with trying to go young if the team is selling us on this being a "rebuilding" year and clearing cap space for a big move next year but I don't see it happening with all the dead money on next year's cap. If this was a move to get better 2 years down the road, I guess we will have to live with a team this year that plans to go 8-8 at best. For optimism's sake, I hope you prove me wrong...but I don't see it. |
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Post by Terd Ferguson on Aug 29, 2011 23:21:00 GMT -6
Not all the players play against him. That is rep.
I'm more interested in the scout's take on him. Their take is, he can't get to the 2nd level. He can't get out in front of screens and sweeps.
By the way, even Nate Newton today was saying they can add new plays back into the playbook with Costa at center, because there are things that Gurode hasn't been able to do in years both in the running game and passing game.
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Post by Terd Ferguson on Aug 29, 2011 23:27:47 GMT -6
By the way, a little Tard Archer nugget worth looking at:
Houck had more changeover in 2004
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By Todd Archer
IRVING, Texas -- Hudson Houck has had this type of offensive line turnover before in his coaching career.
Go back to 2004 with San Diego.
In 2003 Houck started (from left to right) Damion McIntosh, Kelvin Garmon, Jason Ball/Cory Raymer, Phil Bogle/Solomon Page and Courtney Van Buren. The Chargers went 4-12.
In 2004 he broke in five new guys, including two rookies and two veteran free agent signings. From left to right the Chargers started Roman Oben, Toniu Fonoti, Nick Hardwick, Mike Goff and Shane Olivea and San Diego went 12-4. Hardwick and Olivea were rookies that year.
Only left tackle Doug Free will return to his same position from 2010 with Kyle Kosier moving to right guard. Houck will start Tyron Smith (first round) and Bill Nagy (seventh) at right tackle and left guard.
“It’s a great challenge,” Houck said, “and one we embrace.”
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Post by Sideshow Bob on Aug 30, 2011 6:45:00 GMT -6
The more I think about this, the better I feel. Truth be told, if there's any possible negative associated with these changes, it's that our run blocking might take a temporary downtick for a short while...BUT our pass blocking should be MUCH, MUCH better, because all of these guys are younger, faster and have much better footwork than those fat old bastards we got rid of.
Apparently, Gurode was a leaky seal up the middle on pass protection (and we all remember how many times Davis and Columbo got beat for sacks last year). Plus, let's not forget all the years and years of terrible snaps by Gurode...
I ALWAYS thought he was overrated.
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